Thermal Tracking & Heartfelt Homecomings with Joshua Barry

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Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the

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people and rescues making a

difference in the lives of animals.

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Welcome back everybody.

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Today we're talking about that terrifying

moment that your pet goes missing, and the

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eye in the sky that is bringing them home.

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We're joined by Joshua Barry.

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He is the founder of

Precision Drone Services.

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Joshua: Hey.

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Dixie: Welcome to the show.

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I am interested in learning about

how you use drones to find lost pets.

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'cause I know typically when people see

a drone in the sky, they think people

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are just up there just like getting

a view of everything, taking photos.

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Joshua: Alien invasion, government

spying, intrusion, all that.

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Sure.

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Their minds go wild.

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Dixie: How is it that you became involved

with looking for lost pets and drones?

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Joshua: It wasn't a direct path.

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So my main business, which I've been doing

26 years, is photography and videography.

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And , I do stills and video and a very

small part of that business is drone work.

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But nonetheless, it afforded me

the opportunity to learn how to

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fly drones on that side of things.

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But I'm also, techie.

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I like cool technology and I'm a

hunter and outdoorsy and I've got a

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first responders type of mentality.

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So when I saw these drones that

had thermal technology built into

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them, I knew I wanted to have it.

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I wasn't sure what I was gonna do

with it, but I definitely wanted

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to just have a little piece of

that technology and I started.

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Using that drone commercially for

deer recoveries, are you familiar

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with what deer recoveries are?

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Dixie: I am not.

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Joshua: So you're a hunter and you shoot

a deer and you lose the blood trail.

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Maybe it rains, washes the blood

trail away, or it runs into a thick

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area that you can't quite get to or

further away than you're used to.

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And we.

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Can use these same drones that I use for

pets to help a hunter find their deer.

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That way they don't lose their deer

and they can fill a tag and the

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deer doesn't become coyote food.

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So I started doing that, and then as

I was putting myself out there for

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that type of service, I had somebody

approach me about, Hey, do you think

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you could use this to find a lost pet?

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I let you help me find my deer.

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I happen to lose my dog.

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Can you come out and bring your drone?

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I said, yeah, sure.

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So that's how that started.

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, It really was very accidental transition.

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And right around the same

time, there was a guy who.

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Was the very first person in the

country named Justin Arant to use

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these drones for this application.

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He's like the godfather of

using drones to find lost pets.

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And I met him right around the

same time and he has mentored me on

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how to use, how to do it properly.

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'Cause there's a right way

and a wrong way to do things.

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It's a lot more complicated

than just finding a deer.

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So that sort of developed from

there, I started learning from him.

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I start, because I'm a videographer

and a photographer, I would record my

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rescues and I would make these little

videos and I'd put 'em up on Facebook,

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and that gathered a lot of attention.

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I was the first person probably in a

300 mile radius to do this type of work

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for about a year, easily before anybody

else started doing the lost pet work.

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And then, there's others

that do it too now.

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But yeah, I quickly gained a lot

of attention for it and I've helped

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a lot of people and sometimes I

get more calls than I can handle.

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Dixie: How is it that you did that

first rescue of that dog from the

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hunter that had called you back

and said, Hey, can you help me come

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find my dog to doing it full time?

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Like, when did you say, I'm gonna use

it just solely for this application?

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Joshua: The public kind

of made that decision.

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It wasn't like a conscious decision.

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I wasn't aiming to be as busy as I am.

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Honestly, after my first couple

of 'em, I just thought, okay, I'll

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do it occasionally and my phone

will ring several times a week,

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sometimes several times a day.

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It wasn't really a I decided that

I'll take whatever comes my way.

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I'm not an ambulance chaser, I'm

not chasing people down to let me

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help them, use my drone because

again, we charge for this stuff.

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So I think it's a little

unprofessional, so to speak, to be.

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Ambulance chasing type of service,

but people call me left and right

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message me on Facebook and people

tag me all the time in posts.

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So it was a very organic.

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Arrival at how busy I am.

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It wasn't like an aim of mine or I

certainly accept what's come my way

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and I'm grateful and I'm happy to

be involved with helping so many pet

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owners get re reunited with their pets.

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But it, it wasn't like on

my radar to aim for that.

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Target, it was just, Hey, here's another

thing that I could do to help people.

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And I had no idea how many people would

be interested or how many pets went

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missing, again, to bring up my mentor,

Justin , he did a deep dive once and.

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He looked up how many lost pets go

missing every year in the United

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States, and it's 10 million.

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And , I only learned that maybe

like a year ago or six months

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ago, something like that.

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When he told me, I had no idea.

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You don't know how many pets go

missed until you join some of

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these lost pet groups on Facebook.

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And it's every day, every county,

every day there's pets that go misses.

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Dixie: Yeah, I'm passionate about

the lost pets 'cause I do run

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two lost pets group in my area.

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We don't have a lot of

the drones in our area.

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Now, we are in the city, so I don't know

if you do this more in the city or if

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you do it more like a rural type area.

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But I, I don't see anybody in

our area using the drones yet.

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Joshua: What state are you in?

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Dixie: I'm in Louisiana,

in the New Orleans area.

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Joshua: Okay.

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Yeah, there's more and more every day.

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There's actually like a phone book

that has developed where, say I get

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calls from places that I don't go.

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People call me from Georgia and

Minneapolis, Minnesota and Indiana,

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and we have this little phone book we

can pull up that's on the internet and

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we can say I'm in Maryland, but this

guy's about an hour away from you.

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Why don't you give him a call?

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So I could probably look it

up and see if there are any

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actually in Louisiana doing it.

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Dixie: Do you do it more in a rural area

or do you do it in the cities as well?

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Joshua: I do operate in the

cities too if people call me.

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But I would say two thirds to three

quarters, probably close to three

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quarters of mine are in either suburban

neighborhoods or rural neighborhoods.

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Dixie: In the suburban type areas,

are there like certain permits

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or rules that you have to follow

with having your drones there?

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Joshua: No, the only rules that we

have to follow are the FAA rules

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where there's certain airspace

that are restricted or controlled.

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And if we're in controlled

airspace, we have to make sure

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we get permission from the FAA.

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If it's restricted airspace, we have

to apply for a waiver, but a lot of

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times, especially near DC they're not

gonna grant a waiver to fly your drone

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in what's called the DC freeze, which

is a 15 mile ring around DC where no

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drones are allowed to fly unless you

have a specific waiver, and then it's

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very complicated to fly in that ring.

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And , I've never really heard of them

granting permission for somebody to

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fly a drone to look for a missing dog.

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There, there's a lot of

logistics and security involved.

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You have to hire a private

police officer to chaperone you.

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It's incredibly complicated,

but for the most part, no, we

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don't need special permission.

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You just have to have your, because

we're flying for commercial reasons,

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what's called our part 1 0 7 license.

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So we have to go through studying

and testing to become licensed,

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to do this to fly commercially.

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But that's not a specific

search and rescue license.

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It's a general commercial drone pilot

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Dixie: license.

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Compared to, the other type of drone

work that you did in the past, do

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you find there's like more pressure

with this because you're like almost

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looking for a lost family member?

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Joshua: Exactly.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, I played detective too.

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I ask a lot of questions.

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I ask about where the sightings

are because , this is a family

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member as a living being that

they love and care about.

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You want to give it as much care as if

somebody was missing their child, right?

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They got out of the house and it's

walking around the cornfield somewhere.

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So I ask a lot of

questions in the beginning.

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I ask about the dog and the size of the

breed and if there's disabilities and the

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age, and has there been any sightings?

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We're playing detective.

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We're really trying to play

detective here and figure out , what

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direction the dog might have went.

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Might what?

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Area it might be in.

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And even if this is the right time

for a drone to go up in the air,

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there's plenty of cases where, you have

multiple sightings, but each sighting

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is a two miles away from the last one.

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And when a dog's moving that

fast, it really doesn't make

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sense to put a drone up because

by the time you get to that area.

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The dog's gonna be outside of it.

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So we're really measuring everything

and treating it very carefully

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before we come out and fly.

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Dixie: Typically when an

animal goes missing, people

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will usually start, step one.

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They'll go do either old school

flyers, they'll go post on social

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media, they'll go walking the

neighborhood, calling for their dog.

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At what point do they.

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Call you to get you involved?

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Joshua: That's a good question.

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It varies.

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Some people are aware of our

tech and our service, so they'll

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call us sooner than later.

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There's plenty of people that call

us a day or two later and they're

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like, I wish I had known about you

the day my dog went missing, or

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I would've called you right away.

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There's other people that.

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Rely on traditional methods like flyers,

which in my opinion, flyers are the

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best tool above dogs, above drones.

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When you can raise public awareness.

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And especially if like you've gone a

full day and your dog hasn't returned.

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Flyers are the best tool because

people can drive around from out of

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town and all the time and come through

your area and they'll see your dog.

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But it's rare that they're gonna run

to Facebook and report a sighting.

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But if they saw a sign on a

lamppost, they're like, oh, that

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looks like the white dog from

that picture on the lamppost.

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And then they'll go to

the sign and call you.

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So I think that signs on

lampposts are the best tool.

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So

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Dixie: Let's talk about,

how the drones work.

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Yeah.

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So you have thermal on the drone, and

then how far, how high up do you go?

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Joshua: So attached to the drones

payload, meaning like the camera system,

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there's several different lenses there.

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You've got the thermal camera, then

you've got a wide angle camera,

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you've got a zoom camera, excuse me,

and then you've got a range finder.

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The thermal camera is what's looking

for the heat signatures, and then

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assuming we're flying at night.

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When I see a heat signature that I would

like to try to identify with the push

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of a button, we can zoom in, turn on

the spotlight, and we can see exactly

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what it is in full color as bright as

day, a lot of times, or bright enough

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where we can make an identification.

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We can see is it a deer, is it a

dog, is it a cat, is it a coyote?

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Is it a fox?

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Is it a squirrel?

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Is it a raccoon?

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We can see exactly what it's, and then

with the range finder, assuming we

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find the pet, we can mark that location

on the map with the range finder.

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And that pin that I drop on my remote

control has GPS coordinates attached

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to it, and we can transfer those GPS

coordinates into the lost pet parents.

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Google Maps within, less than a minute.

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You just scan the QR code on my screen

and that location will pop right up.

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As far as how high we fly, that

depends on let's say the distance away

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I am from the remote control, right?

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How, or how far the drone is away from me.

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Ideally I like to start like 175

feet up, and the further away I get.

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The more the signal will deteriorate.

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So I have to raise the drone

up a little bit higher.

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But ideally it's good to stay

as low as you safely can because

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the closer the sensor is to the

ground, the more effective it is.

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But in all seriousness, in all

honesty, there's plenty of times

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where the conditions are so good.

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You're 400 feet, 350, 400 feet in the air.

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And you can still see a bunny

rabbit right on the ground

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easy with the thermal camera.

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So I hope that answers your question.

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Dixie: Yeah, that's what I was

gonna actually ask you what the

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range of the thermal camera is.

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'cause I know like with a regular

thermal camera, if you go take that

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out and you look at it, it's very

limited range of where you're looking.

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So you have to be close to

basically what you're looking for.

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Yeah.

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Joshua: Yeah, distance will affect that.

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But again, when you're flying in

some really good thermal conditions,

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like at night the thermal camera

is very sensitive on these drones.

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And you could see a bunny rabbit

pretty clearly, you'll see a little

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red dot and you zoom in, turn on

your spotlight and you can see

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the bunny rabbit sitting there.

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Dixie: When you do the spotlight,

do you have to go down to put the

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spotlight or can you do the spotlight,

I guess from high up as well?

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Joshua: You can do it from high up, but

I would say to get a real good picture.

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To really make a good identification, you

wanna be no more than 250 feet away from

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the object you're trying to light up.

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It is better to be closer to that

object once you get past two 50.

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With the inverse square law,

whatever the light starts to die

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off and it doesn't light it up.

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I've been further away and made

identifications, but it really

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depends on factors like what type of.

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Terrain, the animals in how much cover

it's in, what color the animal is.

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Like we're, if we're looking for a

white dog, it's gonna, it's gonna

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light up from that light even from

350 feet away, because it reflects

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light instead of absorbing it.

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But if we're looking for a black dog,

yeah, we gotta be close, it's good

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to be two, 200 200, 250 feet away.

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Dixie: And what about if you have

a a good tree canopy or tree cover?

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Joshua: Yeah, so you can, and I have

found animals during the times where

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everything has leaves on the trees, right?

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During the spring and summer

when all the leaves grow back.

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I've certainly had success.

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It is definitely harder to do.

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You have to fly a little differently,

a little slower, a little tighter,

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and then there's always a risk that

you're gonna miss an animal because

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it's under too many layers of canopy.

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Usually you can find a window down

to the ground and if you look at

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the same spot from different angles,

you can see what's down there.

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But it's definitely harder to

do and it's also easier to miss

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something that's down there.

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So you gotta, when we do these spring and

summertime missions, we give all those

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disclaimers to the to the lost pet parents

say, Hey, listen, if he's in the woods.

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I've had success in the woods, but just

so you know, it is possible that we could

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fly over top of them and miss them if

they happen to be under too many layers.

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I did a recovery once, a rescue

once in Hawaii, and that was just.

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You're talking like rainforest

level of canopy versus what

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we get here in the northeast.

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But still, nonetheless,

it, you gotta be careful.

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You gotta fly slower, tighter.

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You gotta look at the same spot

for multiple angles to be sure.

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And even then it's not guaranteed.

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When, like this time of year when I'm

flying in the woods, like I am 99.

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Percent sure that if I flew those

woods, that animal's not in there.

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The exception would be if there's

like a down, like three down trees

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laying next to each other and that dog

happens to be underneath those trees.

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But even then, I could sometimes spot it

because if you look at it from an angle,

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you can see underneath those trees.

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But, this time of year, it's a

lot easier to do for sure, if

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you're looking in the woods.

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Dixie: If you're in a suburban

area, how is everything affected

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by buildings and stuff like that?

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Joshua: You mean in terms of

the ability to search properly

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or how do you mean that?

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Dixie: I guess if you're searching

in an area that's suburban, you

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have a lot of houses, , I would

imagine that you're gonna get like

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a lot of like background noise.

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From all the heat coming off

of homes and stuff like that.

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And I guess just, you'd be looking at a

lot more animals in a suburban area Yeah.

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That are gonna Yeah.

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Put off those heat signatures

that look like, if you're looking

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for a dog, you're gonna see

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Joshua: Yeah.

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Dixie: Quite a few dogs.

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Joshua: Yeah, you're

gonna see a lot of dogs.

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You're gonna see a lot of ventilation

units, a lot of central air units

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that look like a dog that's nestled up

against the side of somebody's house.

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But you and electrical infrastructure,

you learn through experience though how to

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not waste your time to look at something.

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And you learn what the heat signature

of a central air unit looks like, or

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a transformer on a pole looks like,

or a electrical junction box that,

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those green boxes that sit in people's

yards near the street, like you

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learn to skip over them because they

become easy to identify when you're.

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You just start out flying, you end up

looking at everything and you learn

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pretty quickly, Hey, I could skip that.

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I know that's a transformer, I know

that's essential air unit 'cause I can

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see the fan blades moving or because

it'll make the red heat signature flash.

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And that's an indication that, that's the.

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The central air unit and the fans

are spinning, stuff like that.

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Other complications.

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If a dog runs under somebody's deck or a

cat runs under a deck, I'm not gonna see

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it 'cause it doesn't have x-ray vision.

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I was on a search once for a

cat and we found the cat and

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we ended up getting it back.

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But in the middle of the story,

I'm tracking the cat as the owner

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is moving towards the, their

cat's location and I watch it.

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Go under a deck.

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Now, once it was under the deck,

I couldn't see it anymore, but

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I at least knew where it was.

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So the owner came over to the deck and

coaxed her cat out from underneath the

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deck, and she was able to bring it home.

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But once it goes underneath something,

the thermal signature, disappears.

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You're not gonna see it if it

goes into a shed under a shed.

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There's plenty of times when I'm flying.

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I'll watch Cat or Fox crawl in and out

from underneath people's sheds, right?

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They don't even go in 'em,

they go underneath them.

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And, these aren't my targets that

I'm looking for, but it's just

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puts an asterisk on the point of

once something goes underneath

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something you're not gonna see it

anymore, so you'll fly right over it.

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Dixie: How does it workwhen an owner calls

you and you take the assignment, do they

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go out with you to the area in case you do

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Joshua: yeah, I, so I encourage

that they stay with me while I'm

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searching because you never know

what the situation's gonna be.

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And I advise them that we could

find ourselves in a situation where

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we have to act quickly, and if

I have to call them and wait for

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them to arrive, our opportunity.

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To rescue their lost pet May our

window may cease, meaning let's say the

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dog's on their feet and they're moving

rapidly and they move so fast that now

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they're out of the range of my drone.

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So it's better to have the owner

there with me while I'm searching.

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That way we can move in as quickly

and as intelligently as possible to

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get that, pet back with their owner.

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Dixie: When the owner calls you,

are there any circumstances when you

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might , tell the owner like, look,

this isn't a really good scenario.

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I know like you said earlier, if

you have a dog and it, you just have

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sightings of the dog running but

not going into a particular spot.

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So are there times when you would

turn down a job and say, look,

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I don't think it's gonna work.

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Joshua: There's a couple scenarios and

I always give them the most amount of

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information in my opinion, and I always

leave it up to them, and sometimes they

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still want me to fly anyway, but I'll

give them the recommendation to wait.

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Here's two examples.

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Let's say somebody calls me and said,

Hey, my dog got out February 1st.

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What's today's date?

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It's February 9th.

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And we haven't had a single

sighting yet, and it's been,

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now we're talking nine days.

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And I'll say to them something along the

lines of it, because when I fly my drone,

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, as far as the signal range of the drone, I

can really only fly about a half to three

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quarters of a mile in every direction.

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If the dog's in that area and there's some

piece of it facing the sky, I'll see it.

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But the likelihood of a dog after nine

days being in that radius and no sighting.

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And it depends on the terrain too.

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Especially like a a suburban

neighborhood type of situation

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that's that's a pretty long time.

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I'd say to 'em, Hey, listen, you

might wanna wait for sighting.

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Have you put signs up yet?

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I'll ask 'em those questions.

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Are you working with anybody else?

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And try to generate a sighting.

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Sometimes they help me out anyway.

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They say, listen, I

hear what you're saying.

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I really want you to just check anyway.

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So that way we know for sure.

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And I say fine.

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Another situation was there's

a dog named Diesel in my next

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county over in Cecil County.

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And it was lost for two

months before it was rescued.

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I was contacted about diesel, about a

month in, and every sighting that popped

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up for diesel was several miles away.

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The last sighting a month ago

of diesel before he was rescued

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was 12 miles away from home.

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And I gave them the same kind of rundown.

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I said, he's moving so fast that.

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I could come out there and he has already

traveled outside the range of my drone.

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And if we can get some more sightings

and we see a pattern developing where

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he's starting to relax and the sightings

are starting to cluster, that's a

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really good scenario for a drone there.

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And, ultimately they

elected not to have me out.

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They took my advice and.

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It's a good thing too.

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I think that if I had come out to fly,

I wouldn't have found it because it was

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about a half a mile away, just about a

week ago where he was finally spotted.

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He was spotted by a farmer.

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The pet owner came out to that location.

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It was about a half a mile away

from the most recent sighting.

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That was a month ago.

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And they found that he was

sleeping in the hay barn.

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He had this little hole that he had

for himself and, sleeping in there.

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And so had I come out to fly, I wouldn't

have seen him anyway if he was in that

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barn because again, can't see through.

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: 00:24:03

He doesn't have x-ray vision.

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There's a case where they they took my

advice and it was the right decision

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'cause I wouldn't have found him.

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And, he was rescued because

again, flyers were, in public

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awareness was the magic here.

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'cause that farmer who saw the

dog either saw a flyer in the area

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or knew about the Facebook post.

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: 00:24:24

'cause he was famous because he had

been missing so long and he called

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: 00:24:27

the owner right away and they came out

and within the day they had 'em back.

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Yep, that's how that works.

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Dixie: What would you

say your success rate is?

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Joshua: So I take a range of cases,

so you gotta break it up because

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, in search and rescue, there's

things called negative searches.

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Where you fly to confirm that the

dog's probably not in the area.

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: 00:24:52

So I take a lot of cases where

there the owner is convinced.

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Let's say for example, the owner

is convinced that they're in

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this section of woods and they

can't get it out of their head.

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: 00:25:03

And they haven't done much other than post

on Facebook and walk through those woods.

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They're not putting flyers up and I come

in and break the chains on their mind

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about their dog being in these woods.

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It's very rare that there

actually are in those woods.

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: 00:25:20

So I do a lot of those negative searches

and almost indirectly it does lead

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to the rescue of their dog because

now they're doing the right things.

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: 00:25:31

To get their dog back, put

flyers up outside of the area

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: 00:25:35

that they're really honed in on.

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I would say of the times where I

come out, where I feel, and I've

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explained to the owner that the dog

is probably not in the area, I'd

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say 90% of them I'm correct on 90%.

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And that's 90% I come out

and don't find it, but.

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The going into it, I feel

that I'm not gonna find it.

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And I've communicated that to the owner.

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: 00:26:03

When I fly cases that have a

high likelihood of success,

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: 00:26:09

they are between 50 and 60%.

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: 00:26:13

These are cases where

there's a recent sighting.

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And the or there's a cluster of sightings

that shows a really clear pattern.

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I would say of the 40 to 50% that

I don't find, I would say a hundred

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: 00:26:28

not, I would say so far, 'cause I

don't track everything to the T but

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I do follow ups with my clients.

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So of the 40 to 50% that

I haven't found so far.

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With the exception of, hey, my neighbor

found my dog under a deck, right?

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Or my neighbor found the dog

under or in my shed, or in

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: 00:26:52

a barn, something like that.

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: 00:26:54

Or I had a case where

the dog was in a kennel.

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I flew the area and I didn't see it.

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: 00:27:00

And then an hour after I left,

the neighbor called and said.

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Hey I see your dog.

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: 00:27:04

It's in my backyard.

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It's in the kennel with

my other dogs out back.

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: 00:27:08

But with the exception of those, it's

like a hundred percent of those, the ones

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: 00:27:12

that I don't find are outside of the area,

like where they turn up another mile or

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: 00:27:17

two away from my search grit, because

we're using the most recent sighting as

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: 00:27:22

our search grid, if that makes sense.

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: 00:27:25

So to simplify that answer

of the ones I don't find.

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: 00:27:29

They almost always turn up outside

of the area, meaning I never flew

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: 00:27:33

over top of them to begin with

because they were just runners.

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: 00:27:37

And then, the majority of them with

the exception of being under or in

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: 00:27:41

something, I've always found them.

472

: 00:27:43

, When you're skilled and you know

what you're doing and you know

473

: 00:27:47

how to operate the equipment

equipment it, it is pretty flawless.

474

: 00:27:51

It is a really good system

when you know how to use it.

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: 00:27:54

Dixie: That makes sense.

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: 00:27:55

With the negative searches that

you're talking about, you said

477

: 00:27:59

90% of the time that you're

right on those negative searches.

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: 00:28:02

And you usually will inform the owners.

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: 00:28:04

I don't think the dogs in this area,

I don't think the cat's in this area.

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: 00:28:08

What is it that leads you to

that belief to begin with?

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: 00:28:13

Joshua: I'll look at a variety of factors.

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: 00:28:16

I'll look at.

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: 00:28:17

If there were sightings.

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: 00:28:20

I'll look at the breed of the dog.

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: 00:28:23

I'll look at if there's

any disabilities, right?

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: 00:28:27

A dog that's deaf and blind really does

not go far you get like a husky?

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: 00:28:34

And they can live outside, they

like to travel, they like to roam.

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: 00:28:38

And somebody calls me for a husky two

weeks missing, and the only sighting

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: 00:28:44

was the day it was missing in the woods.

490

: 00:28:46

An hour later.

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: 00:28:48

You can almost bet that Husky

is not gonna be in the area.

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: 00:28:51

You can almost guarantee it.

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: 00:28:52

It's experience honestly,

to level with you.

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: 00:28:56

Some of it's guesswork.

495

: 00:28:57

Dogs are really unpredictable.

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: 00:28:59

You could take the same two dogs from

the same litter raised in the same

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: 00:29:03

house, and they both get out and they

do two entirely different things.

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: 00:29:07

But.

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: 00:29:08

I try to err on the side of

professionalism and caution because

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: 00:29:14

again, we charge for this and I don't

want my clients to think, Hey, just

501

: 00:29:19

gimme your money and I'll fly my

drone and that's all I care about.

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: 00:29:23

So far I have had no complaints

with my clients because I am very

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: 00:29:28

transparent about how the process

works, what the possibilities are.

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: 00:29:34

All of that.

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: 00:29:35

And never at the end of one of my

searches has somebody said to me

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: 00:29:39

you said this and you said that.

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: 00:29:40

And it's always I'm glad we

checked and now we know what to do.

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: 00:29:44

Or, you did say, and I'm glad we

did it, and thank you for coming.

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: 00:29:48

It's always been appreciative.

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: 00:29:49

It's never been you misrepresented

what you've said to us.

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: 00:29:54

Dixie: And I could see definitely where

it gives people closure, especially when

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: 00:29:57

they think their animal is in one area.

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: 00:29:59

And at least you get that confirmation

of, no, it's not in this area, so you

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: 00:30:03

can focus on going somewhere else.

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: 00:30:05

Joshua: And then there's, unfortunately,

I have to bring this up so far

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: 00:30:11

again, I'm not the end all, be

all of all last lost pets 'cause

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: 00:30:14

millions go missing every year.

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: 00:30:15

But of all the cases that I've flown.

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: 00:30:18

Anytime where we have not found the

pet and we've seen a coyote, that

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: 00:30:23

dog is still missing to this day.

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: 00:30:25

That's something that is a reality.

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: 00:30:28

And it tends to always be the

small dogs the small dogs.

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: 00:30:31

During wintertime, when I get a call,

I'm always like the most concerned

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about, 'cause they're the most

susceptible to the cold and they're

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: 00:30:39

the most susceptible to coyotes.

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: 00:30:42

And so where I was going with that is

sometimes when we're flying we'll see

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: 00:30:45

coyotes and , because professionally,

I think I'm obligated, right?

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: 00:30:49

I don't like.

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: 00:30:50

Putting bad thoughts in people's heads

for funsies, but if I see a coyote

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: 00:30:55

while I'm flying, I'm gonna show the

owner, I have to show 'em, say, Hey,

531

: 00:30:59

just so you know, there's two coyotes

walking around right behind your house.

532

: 00:31:03

Dixie: At least it gives them some

kind of closure with knowing that.

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: 00:31:06

Joshua: Yeah.

534

: 00:31:07

And that's the hardest that's one thing

you can't really train for is the look

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: 00:31:10

in somebody's eye or the tears and the

realization and sometimes , I'll say when

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: 00:31:17

I don't see a coyote, the odds of that

dog returning are actually pretty high.

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: 00:31:22

I don't track that.

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: 00:31:23

I'm not, big on being an

actuary with all the nuances.

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: 00:31:27

So most of it's on feeling, but from my

recollection, with the winter cases that

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: 00:31:32

I've flown when I don't see a coyote

and it's a little dog with the exception

541

: 00:31:37

of, accidentally falling in water,

542

: 00:31:39

I just had a case that the dog.

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: 00:31:41

Showed back up and it was a

little what do you call those?

544

: 00:31:44

Oh gosh.

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: 00:31:45

It was a pug I think, or a

no, a Boston Terrier, I think.

546

: 00:31:50

Yeah, it was a Boston Terrier.

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: 00:31:53

Thankfully we didn't see any

coyotes when we flew, and that's

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: 00:31:57

what she was worried about.

549

: 00:31:58

I was certainly worried about that.

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: 00:31:59

And that dog just showed

up in under their deck.

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: 00:32:03

I think it was something like that.

552

: 00:32:05

The neighbor saw it and called the owner.

553

: 00:32:07

It was like across the

street, and I flew over there.

554

: 00:32:10

One of the possibilities in the

wintertime is that these dogs will

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: 00:32:14

hunker down, especially the little ones.

556

: 00:32:15

If they're smart, they find like a

corner to hide and some, a lot of times

557

: 00:32:19

they're like along somebody's fence.

558

: 00:32:21

In a, like a grassy area, with the

snow and the ice, there's not many

559

: 00:32:25

good places for dogs to hide, this

one was under somebody's deck, and

560

: 00:32:30

the owner heard some movement under

their deck when they let their dogs

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: 00:32:34

outside and looked underneath, and sure

enough, there was there was the dog.

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: 00:32:40

Dixie: Wow.

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: 00:32:41

Yeah.

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: 00:32:42

I can't imagine having to

have that conversation though.

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: 00:32:45

If you do see the coyotes.

566

: 00:32:47

, Joshua: Yeah.

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: 00:32:48

You have to have a good bedside banner.

568

: 00:32:50

You can't say, Hey, your

dog's probably dead.

569

: 00:32:51

Just say, Hey, I did see this.

570

: 00:32:53

So I just instill a heightened

sense of urgency to get

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: 00:32:57

flyers up and get a sighting.

572

: 00:32:59

And, I tell them, Hey, let's assume

the best and let's operate with

573

: 00:33:05

the assumption that you know,

your dog is still out there.

574

: 00:33:08

Let's not use this as a means to

justify not continuing to look

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: 00:33:13

Dixie: right.

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: 00:33:14

I have seen situations where

people give up all hope and their

577

: 00:33:18

animal does end up coming home.

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: 00:33:20

Joshua: Did you ever see the one video?

579

: 00:33:22

I'm in the Facebook group with

the Lost Pet Drone Pilots.

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: 00:33:27

It went pretty viral.

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: 00:33:28

It was a dacshund, I believe that

went missing and he found it.

582

: 00:33:33

And while he is guiding the parents

to the location where the coyote comes

583

: 00:33:39

in, grabs it by the neck and he lowers.

584

: 00:33:43

His drone down almost on top of the

coyote in order to get the coyote

585

: 00:33:47

to be scared away from the dog.

586

: 00:33:49

And he let the coyote let go of the

dog's neck just in the nick of time, and

587

: 00:33:53

the dog actually survived the attack.

588

: 00:33:55

It was incredible.

589

: 00:33:56

Dixie: Wow.

590

: 00:33:57

No, I didn't see that one.

591

: 00:33:58

I'm gonna have to go look it up though.

592

: 00:33:59

That's amazing.

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: 00:34:00

Joshua: Oh yeah.

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: 00:34:01

I'll find it.

595

: 00:34:01

If you can't just message

me I'll find it for you.

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: 00:34:05

Dixie: How about some reunion stories?

597

: 00:34:07

Do you have any interesting

reunion stories?

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: 00:34:11

Joshua: The first one that pops

to my mind is one of my first, it

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: 00:34:16

was like, what, within the first

10 that I did, and it was the.

600

: 00:34:26

The dog.

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: 00:34:26

She was visiting her dad from college

and it was in my county, and the dog

602

: 00:34:32

got lost with the retractable leash

attached and there was no sightings.

603

: 00:34:38

And generally when I hear retractable

leash, you can almost guarantee that

604

: 00:34:41

thing's gonna be stuck somewhere.

605

: 00:34:44

Regular leashes don't get stuck often.

606

: 00:34:47

They sometimes do, but it

you can almost bet on it.

607

: 00:34:51

That a retractable leash

is gonna get stuck.

608

: 00:34:53

So I'm searching and searching.

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I'm searching the first section

of woods behind their house and

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I'm, flying real tight and being

real careful and we didn't see it.

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We saw all the deer and animals out there

and, you can feel the sadness starting to

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sink in that, we might not find this dog.

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But again, I was just getting started.

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We just cleared that first section

of Woods behind their house, and

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so I moved across the street.

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And I moved in that direction.

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'cause again, I ask a lot of questions

in the beginning when I do these

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cases, a lot of re recon, so to speak.

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What direction did you

see them run, right?

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Let's talk about that.

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: 00:35:29

Does your dog like the

woods or not like the woods?

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Those types of things.

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And I think she answered my question.

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So I decided to move across

the street and there she was.

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That dog was stuck on a fallen tree.

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And the owner, 'cause

we're at the dad's house.

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She was actually inside

the house when I found her.

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: 00:35:54

'cause she went in to get a

drink of water or something?

629

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Actually, no.

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: 00:35:56

She went in to get me coffee.

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I remember now and I run in their house.

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: 00:36:01

And, I bring her outside and I show her

the monitor and she's just all tears.

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: 00:36:06

And it was super emotional.

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: 00:36:09

There was one where I found an

African gray parrot that was lost..

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I do get bragging rights.

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: 00:36:15

I was the first person I believe in the

world to find a lost bird with the thermal

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: 00:36:21

drone at least in the country for sure

the girl called me and African great

638

: 00:36:26

parrots are apparently very expensive.

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: 00:36:29

And she calls me because somebody

referred her to me, as most people are.

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And.

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I explained to her, I was really

honest with, I said, listen, I've

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: 00:36:39

never searched for a lost bird before.

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: 00:36:41

Will it see a bird?

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: 00:36:43

Yes, but understand, your bird could be on

a rooftop, on a wire on the ground, in a

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: 00:36:48

tree at the edge of the tree by the trunk

of the tree all the way in the middle

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: 00:36:52

of the tree or 10 miles away already.

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: 00:36:54

Like we don't know.

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: 00:36:56

She said, yes, I know.

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: 00:36:58

I appreciate all of your

honesty, but literally you're

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: 00:37:00

all I've got you are all I have.

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: 00:37:03

You're my you're my last dish effort.

652

: 00:37:04

I said, yeah, this is a

bit of a hail Mary pass.

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: 00:37:07

Again, I asked a lot of questions

where she saw the bird fly off and

654

: 00:37:11

what direction, and when I came

over to her house, I was simply.

655

: 00:37:19

Circling trees.

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: 00:37:20

I went tree after tree and just

started circling the trees,

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: 00:37:23

looking for heat signatures.

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: 00:37:25

And a lot of times the heat signatures

you see in trees are squirrels, right?

659

: 00:37:28

So there's a lot of like false positives.

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: 00:37:30

We see something in the tree on

the thermal camera and we switch to

661

: 00:37:34

the RGB camera and it's a squirrel.

662

: 00:37:36

And your heart rate goes up for a

second, and then there's a let down and.

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: 00:37:40

Finally we looked at this one and we zoom

in and we see the red, 'cause the African

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: 00:37:45

gray parrots have like red on their tails.

665

: 00:37:47

And so we see the gray and we see the

red and she loses her mind, or her

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: 00:37:52

husband's trying to calm her down.

667

: 00:37:54

And we had to actually call in the

fire department with a ladder truck to

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: 00:37:58

climb up the tree to get the bird down.

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: 00:38:01

So I filmed all of that and

that was a nice story too.

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: 00:38:04

It's a good, departure from

your average lost dog case.

671

: 00:38:07

And then for like present day with

all the ice that we had up here,

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: 00:38:13

there was a dog that was missing.

673

: 00:38:16

I went out that night, so they,

the dog went missing at 4:00 PM.

674

: 00:38:20

I was out there, they called me when

I was laying down for bed actually.

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: 00:38:26

I had just laid down and I got a text

message and I started chatting with

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: 00:38:30

them and got some details of the case.

677

: 00:38:34

And this area that this dog is lost

in is the same area where just a few

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: 00:38:42

weeks earlier, there was a dog that

lives on the same type of train.

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: 00:38:46

We're talking like homes.

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: 00:38:48

On the Chesapeake, basically that are

right on the water, where at the edge

681

: 00:38:54

of their house is a very steep hill.

682

: 00:38:57

Like two steps away from the house

and you're going down the hill.

683

: 00:39:01

And that dog Lila was fresh on my mind

because Lila went down the hill and went

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: 00:39:06

into the water and I was at least able

to find Lila to give the family closure

685

: 00:39:12

. But that was fresh on my mind.

686

: 00:39:15

So I don't think I mentioned that

to them, but I knew the urgency

687

: 00:39:19

of the situation and that terrain.

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: 00:39:21

So I I got there I think at 1:00

AM: 1230

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: 00:39:26

They were down in Anne Arundel

County and we found their dogs still

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: 00:39:31

alive at the very top of a hill.

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: 00:39:35

Sandwich between the ledge, right?

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: 00:39:39

Two steps in the wrong direction.

693

: 00:39:41

It's going down the hill into

the water and like a retaining

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: 00:39:44

wall, and he was stuck.

695

: 00:39:46

The dog's name was happy,

by the way, cute name.

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: 00:39:49

And this rescue was very dangerous because

the dog knew that it couldn't walk.

697

: 00:39:58

To get out of the area.

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: 00:39:59

It was stuck.

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: 00:40:00

It couldn't go down the hill 'cause

it knew it would slide and trying to

700

: 00:40:03

walk behind itself in that direction or

ahead in the direction it was facing.

701

: 00:40:09

It didn't feel safe to do that.

702

: 00:40:12

So dad literally had to basically

cliff hang off of this retaining wall

703

: 00:40:17

and he had a very small foot pad.

704

: 00:40:21

For his feet, where it was like maybe

like a foot and a half wide, or he

705

: 00:40:26

would himself slide down the hill.

706

: 00:40:28

And that was interesting.

707

: 00:40:30

I fell on my butt in that rescue.

708

: 00:40:32

I slipped and fell in the

yard, landed on my keer.

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: 00:40:35

But yeah, we got that one back.

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: 00:40:37

They were absolutely

tickled pink at that one.

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: 00:40:39

That was another great one.

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: 00:40:40

And I've saved people's Thanksgivings

and Christmases and marriages.

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: 00:40:46

The one guy when we found the dog,

he's man, you saved my marriage.

714

: 00:40:50

What he said to me,

that was a funny story.

715

: 00:40:52

Yeah, people have called me like

the day before Thanksgiving or the

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: 00:40:55

Christmas Eve, those types of cases.

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: 00:40:58

There's lots of stories, but

those are some of my favorites.

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: 00:41:01

Dixie: You just said you were going to

bed, you got this call, you went out

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: 00:41:05

and you basically rescued this dog.

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: 00:41:09

So Yes.

721

: 00:41:09

Imagine that you don't

operate on appointments.

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: 00:41:13

Is it just like you get

a call and you just go.

723

: 00:41:16

Joshua: Yeah.

724

: 00:41:16

Or you're in a queue because I'll

be on a call and then somebody

725

: 00:41:20

else will call, and then I have to

say, Hey, I'm already on a case.

726

: 00:41:23

So in that regard, it becomes

an appointment at that.

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: 00:41:26

But yes, the large, by

and large, I am on call.

728

: 00:41:30

As you speak.

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: 00:41:31

Somebody calls me and I'm not

already preoccupied with something,

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: 00:41:35

I'll go out and help them search.

731

: 00:41:39

Dixie: Before we go, I would like to

know where can we find out more about

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: 00:41:43

your company, precision Drone Services,

and where can we go watch your videos?

733

: 00:41:49

Joshua: You can find me mostly on

Facebook Precision Drone Services.

734

: 00:41:54

I'm on YouTube, I'm on TikTok.

735

: 00:41:57

I put stuff up there occasionally, but

most of my stuff goes up on Facebook.

736

: 00:42:02

So if you just search for Precision

Drone Services, lost Pet Search

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: 00:42:05

and Rescue, I should pop up there.

738

: 00:42:08

, Dixie: Great.

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: 00:42:08

And I'll include that in the

description, show notes too so

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: 00:42:12

people know where to find you.

741

: 00:42:13

And I'm looking forward to going

and looking at some of your videos

742

: 00:42:16

'cause these sound pretty exciting.

743

: 00:42:19

Joshua: Yeah.

744

: 00:42:20

Yeah.

745

: 00:42:20

They're rewarding to they're a lot

different than deer when you're

746

: 00:42:24

dealing with somebody's loved one.

747

: 00:42:26

Dixie: Thank you so much.

748

: 00:42:27

I appreciated speaking with you.

749

: 00:42:30

Joshua: Yeah, thank you very much.

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: 00:42:31

Dixie: That's it for today's episode.

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: 00:42:33

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: 00:42:37

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: 00:42:48

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