Episode 67
Saving the Strays in New Iberia
Sonia Guillory didn’t plan on returning to the world of rescue, but searching for her lost cat, Moco, opened her eyes to a massive overpopulation crisis in rural Louisiana. Now an independent rescuer, Sonia joins us to discuss the "brick wall" of community indifference, the dangers of "free kittens," and her tireless mission to provide TNR (Trap-Neuter-Return) services to underserved colonies.
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Transcript
Welcome to Animal Posse, the podcast dedicated to the
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:people and rescues making a
difference in the lives of animals.
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:Hey, everybody, and welcome back.
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:Today, I am gonna be chatting with
Sonia, an independent rescuer that
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:is doing amazing work with TNR,
Trap Neuter Return, and helping
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:community cats live healthier lives.
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:It's gonna be a really great
conversation, so let's jump right in.
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:Hey, Sonya.
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:Welcome to the show.
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:Sonia: Thank you.
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:Dixie: Today we are gonna talk about
your role as an independent rescuer.
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:To get started, tell us your backstory.
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:How did you get involved with
being an independent rescuer?
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:.. Sonia: I guess it goes back to
how did I get into rescue, period.
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:And that would go back to my cat
Moco, and he's the whole reason why
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:I ended up back in the rescue because
we crossed paths back in New Orleans
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:and that was the first time I had
ever worked with a actual rescue.
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:But before I was in New Iberia,
where I am now, and I found
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:Moco on the side of the road.
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:Somebody dumped him, typical.
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:And I took him in, and he
was with me for 14 years.
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:He slipped out on my mom that
th of:
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:night , and I've never found him.
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:But he was the whole reason why I
ended up getting back into it, because
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:whenever I moved back into New Iberia,
I did not wanna go back into rescue.
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:But c'est la vie, here I am.
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:Dixie: Why you didn't
wanna go back into rescue?
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:Sonia: Ugh.
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:I don't wanna sound like an angry person,
but the community here, They don't wanna
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:be part of the solution very often.
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:So that kind of deters people from
wanting to be involved in this,
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:which I completely understand
whenever you're passionate about it.
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:So it's a headache, but, once you're
in it, it's very difficult to leave.
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:You love cats, so You can't really turn
your back on them once you see how badly
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:the problem has progressed, especially
since I had left, it really got bad.
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:And I didn't notice until I started
searching for my cat and going
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:to places where it was reported
that there was a large group
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:of cats, uncontrolled colonies.
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:And what did I do?
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:I dropped the trap down and started
TNR-ing, and, it just, it kept going.
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:And I'm glad I didn't stop now,
but, it can be hard sometimes.
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely it can.
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:Now, in New Iberia, would you
consider that a more rural area?
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:Sonia: I would definitely.
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:I'm more of a city girl, I would
definitely say this is more rural.
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:I'm from Morgan City, which is not a
big town, but we're right there, in
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:Morgan City, you're right there between
Lafayette, Baton Rouge, and New Orleans,
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:so you go to cities pretty often.
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:You don't spend a lot of
time in the country whenever
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:you're surrounded by bayous.
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:But here it's definitely a lot of
sugarcane fields and rural area.
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:A lot of, low-income people.
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:So they have a lot of difficulties
taking care of cats, so they call
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:a lot more often than in more
metropolitan areas, if that makes sense.
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:Dixie: Sure.
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:I was asking because it seems to be a
problem with a lot of the rural areas
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:where they're just kinda underserved.
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:They just don't have the
access to spay and neuter.
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:I think that it really does boil
down to elected officials not really
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:wanting to invest much in working
with rescue groups and TNR groups.
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:They don't wanna make
the investment in it.
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:They don't wanna help any type of
investment or even allowance for
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:low-income spay and neuter clinics.
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:I think we recently got one here,
it's called Acadiana Spay and Neuter,
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:which is closer to New Iberia than,
what I'm sure a lot of people have
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:heard of, Spay Nation in Lafayette,
which is oftentimes where I go.
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:But I'm not sure when exactly we got
the Acadiana, and I haven't gone yet.
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:But it's just difficult to get
anybody to really care, and I
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:don't know how to make anyone care.
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:We have a lot more rescues
here since the time that I had
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:moved away, which was 2013.
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:I came back in 2020 But we have
a larger overpopulation problem.
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:So I kinda feel like the community
treats these rescues as if they're just
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:another shelter, and they want, and they
call you wanting you to fix problems.
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:They don't wanna be part of the
solution, like I said before.
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:They just want you to come in
and take the cats away and,
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:none of us can really do that.
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:So it's a brick wall everywhere you look.
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:Dixie: Do you think it's more that
they just don't care, or does it have
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:to do with the fact that they're low
income and they don't have the access
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:to spay/neuter like they should?
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:Sonia: Both.
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:It, you're, you'll find
both type of people here.
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:, Some people just aren't animal people.
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:Some people have a true
despise for cats in particular.
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:But then every once in a while,
right now I'm working on a colony
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:in Erath, and I was contacted by
a lady that lives in this trailer
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:park, and she really cares about 'em.
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:And she's investing her own personal
money in getting them fixed and
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:vaccinated and, taken care of.
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:And she's continuing to feed.
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:So I'm bringing her food but then
you have the real hateful people
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:that live right next to them.
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:There's a police officer that lives
in the same trailer park, has a
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:drop trap, refused for me to borrow
it, and told me he was gonna start
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:trapping them and drowning them.
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:You know just okay sorry I even
spoke to you to begin with.
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:But like I said you find them on
both sides of the spectrum here.
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:, Dixie: you go out to go look for Moco,
and what did you start seeing that you
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:said, "Okay, I've gotta do something.
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:I've gotta get involved"?
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:Sonia: I made social media posts
just asking if anybody had seen him.
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:He was 14 years old, so , I
gave a lot of detail.
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:Not just marking as most people do,
but, he was microchipped, he's neutered.
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:And also the fact that he was
getting older and, a broken tooth.
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:And, just stuff like that.
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:And I got a lot of calls back of
people saying that there was a large
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:group of cats in locations, and
they thought they saw a cat that
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:looked kinda like Moco compared
to the pictures, blah, blah, blah.
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:Went to go check it out and, it was
a group of homes in , a rural area.
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:And you could just look around and
find, a lot of injured ones, which means
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:fighting and young ones, so there's
no females there that are spayed.
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:Just , like a lot of cats in a
grouped up area, and as we know they
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:find their easiest source of food
and, mating, and they stick around
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:as far as, as long as the food's
there, they're gonna stick around.
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:So they just gather up and , I found
five different locations just in
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:the city limits of New Iberia within
the first three months, I believe.
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:Somewhere, two, three months, and
I started working on all of them.
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:Dixie: Are you doing this
out of your own pocket?
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:Every once in a while
I'll get on Nextdoor.
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:I find I get more feedback on Nextdoor
and ask for donations if, I'm just
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:kinda running low every once in a
while, but I hate to ask for donations
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:without actually being a rescue.
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:As an individual, I I don't know, like
I feel kinda guilty for doing that.
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:Maybe I shouldn't.
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:But I do get more feedback on
Nextdoor than, say, Facebook or
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:Instagram or something like that.
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:Maybe it's because it's more
of a personal local type app.
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:But most of the time, 95% I'd say
it's definitely out of my pocket.
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:Dixie: Have you reached out to any rescues
in the area that may offer you assistance?
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:Sonia: I have reached out to
some smaller ones newly opened.
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:And they've been very helpful,
especially this kitten season.
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:I actually have three, a litter
of three in my care right now.
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:But before those got handed to me
I had two other, groups of two.
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:So just reaching out to them.
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:I'm not gonna say the name because
I don't have permission, one rescue
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:reached out three different times
and had a foster to take them in,
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:so I was very grateful for that.
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:The rescues are very much involved
as much as they possibly can be.
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:I couldn't ask for anything
more from any of them.
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:Dixie: And the current kittens that
you have, do they put them up for
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:adoption through their adoption venues?
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:Sonia: I haven't connected
these three with any rescues.
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:The other ones I handed off and
they have a foster and they're
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:taking great care of them.
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:These,, I didn't have anybody to be
able to step up for these, so you
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:know, I'm just gonna do my part and
raise them and get them spayed and
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:neutered and put them up for adoption.
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:I usually charge about 45 re-homing
fee, adoption fee, and I do like to
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:do a home check just to make sure.
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:And, as $45 does not even
come close to covering the
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:expense of, getting them ready.
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:But I do adopt them out myself,
but I do like to work with rescues
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:because it's just more networking.
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:You can reach a lot more people that way.
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:I may reach out to a rescue and
see if I could get them to help
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:me out with networking these.
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:I'm not there yet with these and
I have a lot on my plate, so I
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:just haven't thought that far,
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:Dixie: I completely understand that.
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:Have you ever thought about
trying to get a 501[3]?
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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:I actually have been looking into it.
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:Because of the community using
rescues around here as it's just
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:another shelter that they can go
and bring , a cat to, I don't know
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:if I wanna go sanctuary, direction.
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:I would like to do TNR.
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:That desperately needs to be done.
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:And we used to have a
TNR group called SNIP.
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:I believe the founder, she retired
and then had to go back to work, so
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:it's just been a lot of load on her.
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:I don't know if it's still open,
but I know it's not very active.
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:So I think it would be a good thing
for me to kinda kick in and see if
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:I can open something like that here.
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:It's desperately needed.
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely.
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:, When you say people are abusing
the rescues and using the rescues
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:as a shelter what do you mean?
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:Do you mean if they find a pet, they
bring it there, or do you think it's
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:just abandoning their responsibilities?
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:Sonia: A lot of times it's
abandoning their responsibilities.
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:Even local Facebook groups and
stuff, if you go in there, they're
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:always looking for a free kitten.
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:And I try to explain,
there, there is no free.
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:If you're gonna be a responsible owner
and you're gonna bring them and get them
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:vetted and vaccinated and, so on and so
forth, you're gonna invest a lot of money.
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:It's gonna be hundreds of dollars.
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:Whenever you can go to the local shelter
or, get in touch with some of these
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:rescue groups and adopt from them, it may
be $150, but everything's done for you.
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:You don't have to even bring them
to the vet, and it's a lot cheaper,
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:but they don't really wanna hear it.
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:They take on these free animals,
and they either, start spraying
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:in the house, or they get pregnant
because they let them out.
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:And then once that happens, they don't
want anything to do with it anymore.
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:They see it as a problem, so they want
somebody to come and take their problem
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:away, and that's oftentimes what they're
what rescues are called for, and it...
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:I don't know how much more
people can do to educate.
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:I think the information's pretty
far out there, but I am in rescue.
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:Maybe it's just a skewed perspective.
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:I don't know.
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:But I really don't have the answers.
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:I'm just, I'm beating the ground
just trying to fix the problem,
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:and there, there doesn't seem
to be an answer right now.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I definitely know what
you mean about the whole thing with the
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:people posting in the groups though,
'cause I've been seeing it a lot.
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:And it seems that they'll try to rehome
a cat that isn't spayed or neutered
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:yet, and then it seems that- ... they
do it in the middle of kitten
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:season, which even makes it worse.
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:It's- ... they decide now, or then you'll
get the excuse the cat's pregnant, so I've
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:gotta find a place for the cat to go."
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:And it's why didn't you spay or neuter?
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:And I think, like what you said, when
people take a free kitten, They might
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:have all intentions of going to get it
done, but- ... if something happens, it
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:might just get delayed, and then once that
kitten reaches maturity at pretty much
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:four months old, they're gonna try- to
find a way to get out the house to either
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:go find a boyfriend or a girlfriend.
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:And if you have a female cat,
she's gonna come back pregnant.
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:And that's something that I always
say too, 'cause I know it happened to
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:it was a relative of mine a couple of
years ago, and he ended up having some
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:kittens, a whole litter of kittens.
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:So he asked me to help him
with the kittens, and I'm like,
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:why didn't you spay the mom?"
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:And the excuse was that he didn't
have the money to spay the mom, and
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:we have very low-cost programs here,
so there's really no excuse for it.
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:And I'm like, "You didn't have money
to spay the mom, but now you're feeding
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:six kittens and the mom until those
kittens are big enough to rehome."
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:And so I'm like- ... that right
there, that makes no sense
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:Sonia: Especially if they know somebody
in rescue, they can contact us.
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:I have a couple family members
that recently did that, and
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:I just about lost it on them.
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:And I didn't mean to, but it's
just you know that I'm here You
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:know, you could easily give me a
call and I could make it happen.
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:. And I understand, if you have family
and kids and work and, economy's getting
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:worse and everybody has other concerns,
you tend to procrastinate about things.
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:I get it.
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:But just stop looking for free kittens.
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:To me that's the answer is
stop looking for free kittens
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:Dixie: Yeah
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:... Sonia: I don't think a lot of
people understand that they can
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:get pregnant at four months old.
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:I don't know.
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:But it doesn't matter how many times I
tell people, it doesn't seem to really
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:stick in, in the memory or something.
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:Dixie: Yeah and another thing that I've
been seeing a lot lately that gets to
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:me too is either a 501[3] rescue or an
independent rescuer will often make an
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:offer to people, "Look, I have room.
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:Let me take your kittens," i'll be able
to get the kitten spayed or neutered and
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:then I'll go find a home for the kitten."
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:And most of the time they're told,
"Oh we have somebody else that's
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:interested in them before you."
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:And it's really?
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:Sonia: Ag- yeah, I usually
don't get that answer.
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:They are handing it over.
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:But I don't make that offer too often
either, at least lately, because , I have
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:fosters that are in my care right now.
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:Two of them have been waiting two years,
and nobody has even put in an adoption
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:attempt, so , I know my limitations.
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:I can't take on that many cats.
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:I'm only one person.
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:But also I don't wanna give them an idea
that they can just keep getting cats and
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:coming to me and I'm just gonna take them.
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:Yeah.
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:It's a catch-22.
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:Dixie: Yeah, it really is, and
I think that's the thing too
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:is how do you reach people?
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:Because I've had this discussion before,
like I can preach spay and neuter all
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:I want on my social media, and I'm only
reaching people who are exactly like me.
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:So it's like how do you
reach these other people?
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:, Sonia: Unless they're coming onto
pages that we're often on I don't
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:believe it does reach a lot of people.
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:But it, if you go on adoption pages
and we do give that message out, I
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:don't think it's well received either.
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:It's, they look at it,
it's just an animal.
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:It's just an animal, like we were
talking about, they find themself in
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:this situation and they want, you asked
me about them calling rescues a lot.
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:If they can't find another home or a
rescue group or somebody to take them
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:in, a lot of times they go and dump
them on the side of the road too, which
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:leads to these uncontrolled colonies.
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:So it's just, I don't think that they
really see these little creatures
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:as, living beings like a human being.
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:They just see them as something they can
dispose of, and that's the problem I think
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:, we all have even in metropolitan areas.
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:We have individuals that they want pets,
but it's more to serve them than it
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:is for them just to have a companion.
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:So it ends up, a detrimental
outcome for the pet unfortunately.
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:They're often dumped at shelters
whenever they get too old or something.
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:Or they start having health conditions.
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:We're talking about kittens, but we have
a big problem with the older cats too.
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:I'm sure you do too.
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:It's like they just give up on their pets
whenever they become a certain age and
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:they, gonna cost a couple extra dollars.
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:Oh, yeah.
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:It's all the time.
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:But they don't seem to learn their lesson.
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:They don't seem to learn
the lesson of that, though.
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:They get rid of the animal, and
then they want to adopt another.
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:This shelter over here one of the
biggest complaints I have about
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:them is if they get an elderly
dog or cat in, they will let these
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:people go adopt out a younger pet.
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:What are you talking about?
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:They just dumped a dog or a cat.
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:Why are you gonna let
them adopt another one?
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:Dixie: Yeah, definitely.
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:I have one.
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:He's sitting on my lap right now.
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:. He's a beautiful longhair cat.
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:He's sweet as could be now, but I got
a lie before he came to me, and it was
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:basically- ... that he was dumped at
his home where he was, and these people
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:took him in, and they had him for three
weeks, and they couldn't keep him.
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:So when you hear a story like
that's "Oh, that's wonderful.
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:They took in this cat
that was dumped outside.
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:Their owners moved.
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:They left the cat outside.
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:These people took the cat in."
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:So I end up with the cat-
Yeah ... 'cause I'm like, "Okay.
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:In the photos, he looks very sweet."
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:And so they bring me the cat, and
The poor cat had to end up going
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:on a transport too 'cause the cat
was, like, 10 hours from here.-
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:Sonia: Oh, goodness
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:... Dixie: the poor guy has to
go- Yeah ... through all this.
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:He gets here, and he's exhibiting
this the classic behavior of
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:a cat that has been dumped.
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:And I'm like, "There's no way they
only had this cat for three weeks
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:there's absolutely no way this
cat would be acting like this.
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:So the person wanted me to give updates,
so I have their, the number, so I call
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:'em and I'm like, "Hey," I'm like, "Did
you have this cat for only three weeks?"
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:"Oh yeah, only three weeks."
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:And I was like- ... "Okay, he's
just he's just not settling in.
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:It's like typical dumped
cat, adult cat behavior."
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:, He's exhibiting that depressed, angry
behavior that they have when they get
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:dumped and their owner abandons them.
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:Like they're shut down.
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:Yes, exactly.
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:I'm just like, "There,
there's just no way."
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:So I ended up looking up this person and
I found a post on social media from two
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:months ago, and I learned all about the
cat because- ... it was their cat and they
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:just didn't have time- You got a whole
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:Sonia: background story.
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:Dixie: Yes.
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:Yeah.
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:And I'm like, "Did you not
think I would find this?"
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:Like why lie?
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:Why not just be truthful
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:Sonia: about it?
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:They don't think that we're gonna look.
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:I don't think anybody understands
that we know how to read
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:their body language either.
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:You spend a lot of time with these
little animals, they all have different
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:personalities and, you can't even
say that they're gonna react to a
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:situation all the same because they do
have those individual personalities.
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:But they can all basically, be set
off by triggers and they all show
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:the same type of personalities.
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:They can shut down in different
ways, but they're all shutting down
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:if they're dumped and stuff like...
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:I don't think people understand
that we can figure that out.
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:We know what this is.
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:And I'd have to say it, the
people who contact me, most
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:of them, most, at least 99.9%,
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:tell me some kind of lie to, as
how they came about the cat, how
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:the cat came into their care.
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:I hate to say it like that.
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:I don't wanna be that person,
but I can't really believe
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:what I'm told most of the time.
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:And it's sad, but I don't
know why people lie about it.
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:It doesn't do the cat any good.
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:It doesn't do anyone any good because
it leads me into a situation like
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:you found yourself in a situation
of trying to figure out the
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:backstory so you can help the cat.
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:. Dixie: And this particular
cat, it was a a dog rescue that
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:they contacted a dog rescue.
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:So they tell the dog
rescue this whole story.
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:So, that rescue ended up making all the
arrangements to transport this cat here,
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:and they were gonna just worry about
finding a place for him once he got here.
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:And I Wow ... I had an adopter for
him, but, and I was just hoping,
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:okay he's gonna come in and I'll be
able to adopt him out right away.
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:And we've been working with
him for a couple of weeks.
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:He's a sweetheart now, so it's almost
time for him to go to his new home
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:Sonia: and they all have different lengths
of time that they need to decompress.
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:, You find yourself in a situation,
you can't even determine how long it
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:will take until they're ready to go
to their new home because you have to
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:let them decompress on their own time.
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:You can't force it.
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:So yeah, it really puts us in a bad
place as far as, what we had planned
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:in the future because it's just
an unforeseen situation, and you
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:have to go by what the cat needs.
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and you know that.
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this little ball of fur that we can
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simple, especially with adult cats.
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:Dixie: With this one,, the
excuse was they don't have time.
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:Dixie: And it's like for a cat
doesn't need a lot of time.
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:A dog does need a lot of time 'cause
you gotta go walk your dog every day.
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you a couple hours during the day
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:Sonia: and some are more clingy,
but most of them, they're just
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watch some TV and they're there.
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individuals just to be with you.
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the I don't have the time thing is.
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in a pet that's supposed to be a family
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like me, but I can wish, I try to wish.
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:Sonia: hopefully, but until we have
more elected officials that try to
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to help the community, I don't see
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it's just, you see it for so long.
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somewhat involved, 14 years
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then the four years I took off.
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some pretty horrific situations
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positive, it really is.
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:How much time , do you devote to doing
TNR and taking care of community cats?
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:Sonia: Oh, I do it daily.
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been three weeks, and that's Sunday,
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Nation by morning, and I go
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:Dixie: And now New Iberia is a bit
of a drive to Lafayette, so how
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:Sonia: Yes, ma'am.
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me to get from my home to Spay
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minutes back each day.
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but it- you get so used to driving when
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doesn't seem like a lot anymore.
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:Dixie: Before we end the call,
what final message would you have
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but are hesitant to get involved?
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:Sonia: Sometimes it's hard
to find people like me.
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:It's not like we're advertising,
so unless you know somebody that's
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you don't know to reach out.
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are in touch with people like, independent
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with us that, we could help you out.
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there unneutered and unspayed and
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are gonna be out there suffering.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I think that's a good
message too, and that's something that
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that are trying to rehome their pets.
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people have no choice but to rehome their
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situations where people have to rehome
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afford food that month, maybe they
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is sick and needs to go to the vet.
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work with you on that than trying to
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:Sonia: easier to do.
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:Dixie: mean,
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:Sonia: even independent rescuers,
we'd much rather help you,
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or, fundraise for a vet visit or...
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stressful on everybody involved.
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that we can keep you with your pet, that's
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:Dixie: Thank you so much for
coming on the show with me today.
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:Sonia: Thank you so much for having me.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:I loved hearing about the great work
that you're doing, and please keep it
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:Sonia: Thank you so much, and
thank you for what you do.
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bit on how you got your rescue started.
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:Dixie: Yeah, absolutely.
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had a couple of people that
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:So if you go listen to some of our
other episodes, there's a bunch
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to share information with you.
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please reach out to me because, it's
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. Any questions that you have, shoot 'em
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:That's it for today's
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