Episode 79
Trapped in the Rubble: Inside the Battle to Rescue Seoul’s Redevelopment Cats with Yongsan Cats
When Seoul’s historic Yongsan district began its multi-billion dollar redevelopment, over 18,000 residents moved out—and left an estimated 1,000 community cats trapped behind demolition barriers. Facing bulldozers, starvation, and strict urban restrictions, these animals had no voice and nowhere to turn.
In this episode, host Dixie sits down with Julie Choi, founder of Yongsan Cats, to talk about what happens to street animals when an entire city rebuilds itself. Julie shares her journey from a dog mom who fed two kittens on a snowy day to a full-time rescuer who has saved over 250 cats from active demolition zones.
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Transcript
. Dixie: Today we are gonna be talking
with a woman who is fighting to
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:save the forgotten residents of
Seoul's redevelopment districts.
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:These are the street cats who
once were thriving in this area.
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:Julie Choi is the founder of Youngsan
Cats, and she has rescued more than 200
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:cats from the demolition zones, often
racing the construction crews and working
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:alone to pull the lives out of the rubble.
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:She's turning a disappearing neighborhood
into a blueprint for humane rescue, and
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:today she is here to share how she does
it, why it matters, and what happens to
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:the animals when a city rebuilds itself.
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:So let's get into it
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:Hi, Julie.
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:Julie: Hi, Dixie.
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:Dixie: I'm excited to learn about this
'cause I had no idea about the cats in
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:Seoul or in these redevelopment districts.
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:So- … I would like
to hear all about this.
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:I think it's gonna be a very interesting
topic for all of my listeners.
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:I would like to- start with you.
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:Before these demolition zones, before
the headlines, what first pulled
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:you into caring for the street cats,
and when was there a moment that
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:you realized if you didn't step
in, then nobody was gonna help?
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:Julie: I have always cared deeply
about animal welfare in Asia, but I
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:honestly never expected it to come
this early on in my life, and I have
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:always been a dog mom, so I never
had cats before until the rescue.
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:And it all started on a snowy day
when I came across two little kittens.
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:I was simply walking back
from my work and I saw them.
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:I started feeding them.
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:But that one small act completely
opened my eyes to everything else.
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:It exposed me to the brutal daily
obstacles these cats face and the
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:intense social stigma against the
people who try to help them in Korea.
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:And I didn't set out with a grand
plan to build a massive rescue, but
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:I just wanted to help the animals
that I crossed paths here and there.
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:And I always believe that small,
consistent acts of compassion
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:are what eventually can shift
how a society views strays.
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:So ultimately, I want to create an
environment where if one everyday
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:person decides to step up and take
responsibility for a single life,
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:the government and/or society
actually rally behind them to help.
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:And this is because as I said, as I was
walking into the rescue scene, I learned
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:about Yongsan demolition site and truly
I've realized that how local authorities
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:and the existing big animal welfare
organization in Korea here generally
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:don't intervene deeply with rescuing
stray animals from the demolition site.
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:Dixie: When you said social
stigma, what do you mean by that?
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:Like, how are people treated?
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:Julie: I was very stunned because
I am coming from America as well.
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:I grew up there and I came to Korea a
few years ago, and I started feeding
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:the stray cat thinking that it is okay.
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:And what I quickly learned is
there are, of course, every
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:country has lovers and haters, but
there are a lot of haters here.
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:And they'll give you an eye, like a
glaze of the eye that makes you think
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:that what you're, whatever you're doing
is wrong, and plus on social media.
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:You know the crazy cat lady stigma
that is going around Am- America, too?
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:But I would say it's worse.
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:They believe that anyone, stray
cat moms or anyone who cares for
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:the cats are antisocial, no life.
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:Basically, they find their meaning
in life on only caring for their
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:cats because they have nothing else.
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:And I was very, I thought it was very
unfortunate because as I was rescuing,
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:I met a lot of people from diff- all
over the world and even inside of
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:Korea who is not part of that stigma.
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:Everyone is just living their life and
then they're sharing their warmth to
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:the lives that they want to care for.
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:But that doesn't, that's not
how it's presented at the moment
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:Dixie: Wow.
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:Yeah, that's interesting to to hear
that 'cause like you said, in the United
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:States we do have, crazy cat ladies.
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:Everybody looks at the people
who are trying to help cats and
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:have a lot of cats as crazy.
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:And so that's interesting- Sure … to
know that it's, in other cultures too.
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:Julie: Yes, definitely.
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:I was surprised as well.
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:And I feel like culturally, it does
hit harder in Korea because I think
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:in my perspective, American culture
is more independent of what…
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:every culture has nosy individuals,
but it's less in America, especially
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:because it i- it is bigger land.
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:But it is more common in Korea, and
it just was very hard because I had to
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:fight through not only social stigma,
but also occasional harasser who would…
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:Literally, I was feeding the cat
and then because- and I was feeding
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:them on a permissioned land, not a
random area where no one allowed.
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:Then I would find someone who lives around
the corner saying, "I'm gonna poison them
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:all," and he ended up having a cat, too.
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:So it was very stun- I was
very shocked because he had
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:his cats, and he didn't see…
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:he didn't-- I think it was, it
could have been only few people.
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:I'm not saying that, I'm not
generalizing that everyone is like this.
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:It's was that i- one experience that I had
was he had his indoor cat, and he believed
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:that his cat is different from the outdoor
strays because strays were born outside.
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:Dixie: Yeah, I get that 'cause I actually
hear that here, too you find out that they
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:have cats living in their house, and they
absolutely hate the cats that are outside.
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:And I don't understand that 'cause
how can you have them in your
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:home and at the same time you're
hating the ones that are outside?
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:Julie: It's shocking because I didn't
know that was a thing there, too.
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:Yeah.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:Julie: I think I just- Wow.
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:Okay.
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:Okay.
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:That is very interesting.
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:'Cause unlike America especially
the city that I'm talking about is
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:Seoul, and it is a very urban city.
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:And I'm some part of Amer- America
does have a wild nature where cats are
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:just roaming around, and it is they
can become real wild cats, I would say.
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:I could be wrong, but that is my…
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:because of the setting how,
it's very different from city.
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:But in Korea, most cats, I believe,
is cannot really become feral or
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:s- because 50% chance they're gonna
have someone who's gonna feed them.
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:And it's literally apartments next to
apartments, and where- wherever they're
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:living at is someone else's parking lot,
under the car, someone else's garden,
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:but not even like American gardens.
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:Just literally a small concrete space.
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:So- That's another thing is
environmentally in this, in the city like
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:Seoul, even if they are strays, you cannot
really categorize them as a feral cats
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:because they always have a regular feeder.
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:Even if they're not, they don't have
regular feeder, someone with a good
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:heart walks by and they'll feed them.
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:So they already know
that people feeds them.
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:So it's not…
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:And it's not very common for
them to-- Yes, they'll play hunt
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:pigeons, but then it's not common
for them to hunt for pigeons or
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:rat to make a liv- to, for food.
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:So it is a very different, uniquely
different setting, which is also why
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:that I started rescuing because we have
rescue over 250 cats within a year and
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:a half, and most of them were just stray
cats, and I have stray cats of my own.
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:And yes, it does take time, but what
I have realized, at least for the
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:cats that I have rescued, is first of
all, once they go inside of a house,
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:they get the full freedom to sleep
whenever they want to, eat whenever
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:they want to, and drink whenever
they want to, and they don't really
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:need to guard and always be alerted.
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:Second, with time, they do come around.
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:Yes, they weren't pettable initially,
but then once they realize that we are
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:safe, at least all my cats and all the
cats that I have rescued unless they're
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:in the early stages of adjusting,
I have been seeing working out.
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:So that's why I believe that especially
the demolition site cats, if they cannot
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:get relocated because that's not possible,
then ideally saving one more life will
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:be much better than leaving them behind.
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:Dixie: The demolition zones, I
would like to learn more about that
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:because, here in the United States,
if they're gonna demolish a building,
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:it's usually just one building.
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:So can you paint a picture of these
demolition zones and, like, how
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:large are these demolition zones?
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:Julie: So while we are struggling to place
our current rescues the tragedy is still
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:going on in the Yongsan demolition site.
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:It is-- Yongsan is a district in
Seoul City, and the destruction
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:is divided into five zones.
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:Took over 50 years to start and
over 18,000 people lived here.
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:And it is the most expensive land in
Seoul, where Samsung CEOs, most of the
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:BTS members, ambassadors, and just where
people with greater influence live.
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:What they're trying to do
is not destroy by building.
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:They're doing it entire neighborhoods
are being torn down, and an
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:estimated 1,000 community cats have
been left behind in the rubble.
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:That includes abandoned cats as well.
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:They face starvation, injury,
and displacements as the
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:bulldozer, bulldozers move in.
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:It's it's very sad because
they divided into five zones
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:and we rescue from zone three.
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:Within zone three alone,
there were over 500 cats.
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:And how they start the demolition
is initially they move pe- evacuate
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:people out, and then they start putting
X marks around the doors, and then
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:they start blocking the entire area.
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:Not ju- I'm inclu- I'm talking about
the roads too, where people walk
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:on, so no one can enter the site.
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:And they start breaking down the doors
and windows turn down their electricity,
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:and they start destroying the entire town.
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:So once at, let's say, around,
around the stage of three where
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:they start blocking the entire town,
no one can enter to feed the cats.
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:So if they're still inside, then
there's no way that we can save them
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:out unless someone tries to sneak in or
we get a permission, which is why this
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:is hard because The permission also
h- not is-- the s- land is not owned
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:by the government as well, which is
why it's really hard to get permission
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:because it's individually owned.
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:And as I said, it is an expensive land,
meaning unlike other districts, it
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:moves fast, and every hour, every day is
money spent, so they want to do it fast.
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:And all the cats right now from zone…
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:So they're now starting zone two,
and zone two, starting November this
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:year, we won't be able to enter.
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:Right now, we can enter to rescue
or try to feed because there are
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:some people living there, and
I'm talking about like handful.
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:Actually, most people had to leave in
May, April and May, but there are some
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:people who are still staying, and they're
trying to kick them out, and it's taking
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:time, so we have time until November.
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:Once the November starts no one's
gonna be able to go in unless with
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:permission, but getting that permission
will be almost nearly impossible.
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:And that's only zone two, and zone
two still has about over 300 cats.
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:And one, four, five combined, it's…
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:You can estimate.
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:It is a challenging situation, but
what is most devastating is that
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:the city and major Korean animal
welfare organizations are completely
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:turning a blind eye to the crisis.
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:These cats are just getting trapped
in a war zone, entirely dependent on
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:whatever grassroots help we can gather
because the systems meant to protect
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:them are doing nothing, basically.
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:Dixie: Wow, that's amazing.
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:Now, when you say they have these zones,
are these like essentially almost like a
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:small city when you say a neighborhood?
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:Julie: It is Because we're comparing
to America, I feel like we shouldn't.
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:The size is different, but still I would
say it's like a one entire district.
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:So there's a huge city called Seoul
City, and within the zones there's
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:different districts, and it's
literally they're getting rid of one
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:of the portions of one whole district
where over 18,000 people lived here.
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:Dixie: Wow.
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:Julie: So it is big in the perspective
Koreans, and it is one of the largest
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:demolition happening in Korea right now.
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:And their goal is to finish this
demolition by:
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:It's really fast considering
the number of people and size.
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:But it is going on and honestly right
now I'm trying my best to share the words
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:out because with the limited resources
we have, realistically and financially
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:we cannot rescue out every cat.
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:And our goal is to raise awareness both
internally and globally so that when we
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:speak with the at least news media or
governments, we have one more eyes and
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:one more voice counting so that they
can save us time to rescue these cats.
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:'Cause what's very unique about what I
have been doing in here with Yongsan Cats
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:right now is our community are, over 90%
of our community members are foreigners
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:who is either living in Korea or abroad.
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:90% of our community members, adopter,
foster, supporters, and even donations
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:are coming from foreign community
that's inside and outside of Korea.
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:And yes, we are trying to spread
to Korean communities as well.
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:But what I'm trying to
do is connecting all…
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:Just I feel like animal lovers are
universal, and I want to connect whether
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:despite the gender, nationality, age,
I just wanna connect everyone who
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:has the same heart and try to work
together to change the stigma and also
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:bring a realistic change, even if it
doesn't have to be a big change, just
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:a small little changes where we can
change, really bring the difference
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:to the lives of the strays out there.
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:Dixie: Yeah.
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:I had no idea that this was going on
until you actually reached out to me.
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:And I hate to compare it to America, but
the reason that I'm doing it is because I
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:think as Americans it's hard for a lot of
us to actually understand and visualize
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:what's going on, if that makes sense.
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:Julie: Oh, yes.
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:Yes, I do.
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:Yeah.
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:Dixie: Can you walk us
through a typical rescue?
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:Like, when you go into these
zones, like, how do you start?
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:Julie: We have local cat moms who lived
there for over 10 years, 50 years, who
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:couldn't leave them behind and coming
back to the site to feed the cats.
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:And me is basically I walk into the
s- site and I work around with these
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:local cat moms and we monitor the cats
because there's regular feeding shelters.
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:And initially for what happened in zone
three was literally last May they gave
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:us two months to pull out over 200 cats.
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:That's how we did the massive
rescue because we had two months
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:and we had to get them out.
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:But the problem was I wasn't
a professional organization.
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:I was just a one person who just
had a heart and who just had friends
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:who can help us out together.
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:And what we did was we literally
set out-- we initially started
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:with having three traps and like I
said, we had to get over 200 cats.
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:And we had to go-- We have something
called Carrot Market, which is we can
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:either sell used items or we can rent.
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:And I posted on Carrot Market
and then I got-- I rented traps
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:from people, like rescuers.
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:So we had about 10 traps around and then
also the cat moms also had the traps, so
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:we brought in all the traps that we had.
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:And we s- we would set out the
traps everywhere around the zone,
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:and we would try to get anyone that
we can out, as many as possible.
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:And that includes whenever we
rescue, we don't try to leave
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:behind, just moms or healthy cats.
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:If it's a family, best friends
we take all of them out.
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:We take them together.
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:And if it's an old cat, we take them.
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:If they're a sick cat, we take them.
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:So that's why I did had a
temporary shelter in zone two,
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:which got evicted this April.
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:So- That's how we usually we go around it.
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:And what happens afterwards is I take
care of all the logistics, meaning I pay
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:for the medical bills for all these cats.
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:I do the transportation for the cats.
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:I try to find the foster
and adopter homes.
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:I do the interview.
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:I move the cats.
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:And if they're at foster homes, I visit
their foster homes to bring them to the
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:vet or find them an adopter and move them.
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:So yes, we do have volunteers,
but realistic- this is what I
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:mean by realistically it's not
very possible because I'm just one
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:person, and I am taking care of
currently about 56 plus cats right
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:now who are all at foster homes.
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:So due to the realistic situation
that has been happening that's-- w-we
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:don't h- that's basically our system.
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:It seems messy, but literally we
s- we talk to the cat mom or as we
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:are rescuing, we see the cats that
we think that has to be rescued.
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:We set up a trap we get them, we
deliver them to the vet, and because
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:now we don't have a shelter, we'll try
to find foster or potential adopter.
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:And if they say yes, then we pull them
out from the hospital, we bring them
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:to their house, and we monitor them
from their house, and that's how we
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:start And it is it is very challenging.
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:When we had a shelter, it was still
challenging because in a tiny space we
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:had to put in, at one point there were
80 cats because, like I said, we 200 cats
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:and instantly within two months is…
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:80 cats still was lucky because
we were able to find foster and
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:adopter for the rest of them.
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:And then with the 80 cats, we couldn't
bring in more cats, but because we had
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:a shelter, we would bring in the cats.
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:So at one point, the cats
numbers c- wouldn't change.
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:It was like 70 to 80 and
then back to 70 and 80.
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:But because this April we had to
close down, around the time when we
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:ha- heard we had to close was March.
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:They didn't give us time at all.
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:It was literally a month notice,
and we had about 40 to 50 cats.
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:And luckily, I was able to reach out to
some of the influencers and they shared
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:the words out and we got all the foster
cats, shelter cats out to the fosters.
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:But now we don't have the shelter,
so we cannot really rescue unless
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:we have a foster and adopter homes.
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:And even let's say if it's a really urgent
cat, then they have to be hospitalized.
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:I have a cat that has been
hospitalized in the vet for about
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:two and a half months is now.
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:And major reason is 'cause this
cat got into a car accident.
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:But afterwards, a month and a half in,
she could have gone to a foster home,
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:but we couldn't find anyone yet and it's
better for her to stay in the hospital
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:than hop her around when she's not ready.
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:So every day is different challenges,
but we're working around people.
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:So because we don't have physical
spaces, we're talking to each
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:other, communicating, trying to
find the places together and try
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:to see what we can do daily basis.
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:Dixie: Yeah, that's a lot that you're
taking on to being the person that's
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:transporting these cats for the
medical, coordinating the adoptions,
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:coordinating the foster homes.
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:So it seems like it's very intense
physically and emotionally.
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:What has been the hardest
part for you personally?
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:And then on the flip side, what
is it that keeps you going?
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:Julie: So the hardest thing is,
to be honest with you, is people.
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:Saving cats, rescuing cats yes,
it is physically difficult.
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:It is sometimes grueling.
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:But w- the best feeling is once you
walk into a great home and you transfer
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:the cat and you f- you know that you
feel that they're gonna have a great
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:new chapter, that's a satisfaction.
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:But usually when you are rescuing, I think
you may also know you cannot do it alone.
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:It has to be together.
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:But sometimes some people have
misunderstandings or there are people
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:emotions that you have to consider,
and that sometimes gives me a lots
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:of pressure and disappointment.
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:But also the flip side is
that people save as well.
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:So this is what I always tell
people is that yes, people
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:kills, but also people saves.
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:Without people it's
impossible to save any life.
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:And also, the reason why I can keep going
is because at every turning point, every
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:corner, I meet amazing human beings.
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:It could be foster mom, it could be
adopter, it could be a stranger, and
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:it could be anyone but who always says,
"Oh I may not be able to help fully,
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:but whatever that you're dealing with,
let me handle it together with you."
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:And that one s- it doesn't have to be
every cat, but just as some portion of
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:work that they take in for me together,
it gives me a hope and it keeps me going.
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:And it is also that's the o- that's
the major reason why we cannot
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:stop because whenever you want to
give up, there's always someone
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:who's like, "Okay, I can help you."
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:And then it's just every corner, every
step, every chapter, there's someone who
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:comes in that you didn't even expect.
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:And even if it's not a ginormous
help, still it is great amount of
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:help, enough for me to continue
rescuing, continue helping the cats.
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:Dixie: As the redevelopment continues,
what is next for Youngsun Cats?
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:What do you need the most right
now, and how can our listeners
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:support the work that you're doing?
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:Julie: So my next goal right now is
to settle all the cats to an adopter
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:home, the ones that we already rescued,
and try to find ways to realistically
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:save out the cats that's left behind.
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:And it doesn't have to be us physically,
but even, like I said, there's
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:other shelters and organizations
in Korea, and I hope that they
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:also start making a move because
they don't have to take in 10 cats.
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:They can just take in one.
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:But if every shelter or organization's
taking a few cats at a time,
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:I'm sure it's gonna work out.
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:And that's why the most powerful
thing anyone can do right
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:now is lend us your voice.
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:You can follow us on Instagram or join
our Patreon, even just as a free member.
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:And the reason is simple.
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:When we approach government officials
or n- news networks or organizations to
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:demand intervention for these demolitions
site cats, numbers truly matters.
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:And every single follower and
free member is a tangible voice
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:that proves the world is watching.
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:And if you can donate, you are
directly funding a cat's medical.
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:But if you cannot, simply following
us and sharing our stories gives us
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:the leverage we desperately need to
force real, systematic change in Korea.
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:Dixie: And what is your Instagram
and then also your Patreon?
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:And I'll include links
in the show notes as well
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:Julie: it's Yongsan Cats, and it's
Y-O-N-G-S-A-N Cats for everything.
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:And website as well, yongsancats.com.
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:Patreon, Yongsan Cats.
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:Dixie: Julie, thank you for
everything that you're doing.
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:It's really eye-opening 'cause like
I said, I had no idea that this was
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:going on, and just the magnitude
of it, It is very upsetting.
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:And- … i'm so grateful that you're
sharing your story with us today.
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:Your work is saving lives that would
otherwise be erased, and it's showing the
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:world what compassion looks like in the
middle of a demolition zone like this.
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:It's giving hope to these animals.
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:Julie: It's very challenging, but yes,
I'm grateful that you guys invited
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our issue because I know that it's
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:just cats or animals cannot talk
for themselves, and it has to be…
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:What I learned, biggest lesson I've
learned is, like I said, single voice, and
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:I was a single voice who wanted to rescue
just the town cat, and then suddenly
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:And if we don't speak up as a people
who cares for the animals, I know that
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:And in order for a change to
happen and to save a life, we
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:And I'm sure a lot of the audiences
whoever that I'm gonna meet n-
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:next and the ones that I have met
before, all of us didn't know about
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:what's going on, and it's because,
not because we don't want to know.
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:It's just that the world is huge,
and you cannot focus on what's
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:That's why what I'm trying to do
is the, my portion of the issue
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:that I'm dealing with for the cats
in Korea, I just wanted the people
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:So even if they don't physically
help, knowing about it will impact,
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:It doesn't have to be this year.
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:It doesn't have to be next month.
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:It could be just years later.
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:But I truly believe that one more
person knowing, whether they're in
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:Korea or outside, it does bring a
big change to at least one more life.
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:And it's just the connection that I
have felt with a lot of the community
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:members and even with you right now.
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:This is, this literally is giving
us a hope because at least someone
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:And yes it doesn't have to be
physically saving a cat, but this is
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:a hope that someone else can actually
hear about us through you guys.
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:So I'm truly g- grateful.
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:Dixie: It's so very inspiring, too,
to know that you took on this huge
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:project as one person and you were able
to get other people involved with it.
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inspiring for people who think that
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:they can't do anything to help animals.
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:Julie: I feel like it's just
initially I didn't know anything.
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:That's why I was able to do it.
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:But afterwards, I'm able to keep
going because there's more people who
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:I realize that have a h- same heart
and compassion and who wants to help.
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:I have met great people both in and
outside of Korea, and that is also
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:healing journey for me as well.
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:I feel like these kind of support
that you don't really get during
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working at a business setting.
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:So I feel like cats are also helping me
in a sense that I have a new perspective
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